"Fleshly Justification"

SPEAKER_11 0:11

Hi, welcome to Bit101, Vocalizing Every Noted Topic with a Christian twist. I'm June Bryant, your host, and we welcome you to our podcast. Our vision is to win souls to Christ and to help those who know him by giving them a fresh new perspective on Christian living and reading God's Word. Our mission is to biblically educate people while growing in their Christian walk by answering questions that they are uncomfortable to ask in a church-like setting. You can find us wherever you get your podcast. Please like and subscribe. You can also visit us on YouTube, Instagram, or on our website vent-101.com, where you can leave any questions or comments that you may have. Thank you. It's June in the room, and I'm going to go around the room with whoever wants to introduce themselves. The co-host.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

Well, I'll start. I'm Richard Shaw, and I'm here. Glad to be here. And uh we about what a week away from uh another anniversary in here? Yeah! What anniversary is this, boost? Number six! Number six! Oh my god! I gotta look that number up six respectfully. Not not for you numerologists, but for what it means in Christianity.

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Amen. Amen.

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Well, good morning and good day to everybody. Antoine no last night. Hope everybody's having a good day and having a had a good week this week so far.

SPEAKER_06 2:14

Amen.

SPEAKER_09 2:15

Good morning, everybody. I'm Pat. Just glad to be here in the studio one more time. And I hope and pray that your ears are open, your heart is ready to receive today. Amen.

SPEAKER_11 2:27

Well, my phone is acting up so today's topic for those of you that are on uh Facebook and for those of you next week that will hear us on YouTube is fleshly justification. I gotta do some research uh give some background on this because uh Rich gave me this topic, I'm gonna say about three years ago. He said, Mom, you don't even remember. Mom, I got a topic that we could discuss. I said, what? Fleshly justification. And I'm like, okay, son, I'll write it down. I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm like, what in the world did he come up with that? I don't even know what that means. I did. But here it is. Fast forward a couple of years later, I'm going over the topics and I'll go into detail the next time we're in the studio, fam. But the uh we I I'm like I'm going over the topics, and I it's like on page three, and we got like eight pages of you know of different things. And I'm like, fleshly justification and it hit me. Why do we justify our flesh as believers? The things that believers justify to make themselves feel better. So, with that being said, family, first and foremost, before we even get started on this topic, it's important to clarify that there is no such thing as fleshly justification. God doesn't justify us through our works or self-effort or our opinion. So don't get it twisted. True justification is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone. Romans 3 27 through 30 says that then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded by what kind of law? By a law of works, no, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from the works of the law, or is God the God of the Jews only? Is he not uh the God of Gentiles also? Yes, the Gentiles also, since God is one who will justify the circumcised by faith and uncircumcised through faith. And Galatians 2:16 says, Yet we know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but through the faith in Jesus Christ. So we have also believed in Christ Jesus in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

SPEAKER_06 5:48

That's right.

SPEAKER_11 5:49

The law is the commandments, right? Yep. Just making sure. We talked about it last week on covetousness. Yeah, the the law is our faith through faith. But believers, we tend to justify our faith because we're human, but the spirit gives us the power to stop defending sin and start defeating it, family. When a believer chooses honesty over excuses, the spirit brings freedom, clarity, growth, and peace. Thank you, Jesus. Believers justify their flesh for a few primary motives or choices, and each one shows how human the heart tries to protect itself instead of submitting to the spirit. The key idea is fleshy justification is when a believer explains, excuses, or defends the sin they in instead of repenting.

SPEAKER_02 7:06

I like where this is going.

SPEAKER_11 7:11

Well, I'm gonna stop right there and let you talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 7:18

You know, uh we go on. You hear people say, uh, give those excuses as to why they don't consider themselves Christian. They say I'm spiritual. Yes, they say everything but uh the acknowledgement of Christ, you know, and I think that's a fleshly justification. Yeah, you know, uh I had a I had a coworker that we were, I was asking them, okay, where does you you pledging these fraternities and sororities, how does that coincide with your belief system?

SPEAKER_09 8:01

Right.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

They talked for about 20-30 minutes, and I said to myself in my head, Lord, I still didn't get the answer to the question I was asking because they were fleshly justified, and I said, but wait a minute, maybe I did get the answer, you know. But one particular lady said, you know what, I ain't real churchy, and they starting to say that a lot. Yeah, I ain't real churchy, but I'm spiritual. And I said, How I didn't say it to her, but I'm thinking in my head, like, how are you spiritual without see see that's that's the lukewarm, that's the on the fence. Uh how are you spiritual without the spirit? Right. That's the oxymoron. You know, so when I was thinking about this, it says the term stems from Paul's letter in the New Testament, such as Galatians and Romans, where he addresses those who try to earn their salvation through physical rituals or good deeds. And I harped on the good deeds part because we've all attended a funeral with us. That was a good person. I said, were they saved? That's the question. Yeah. These ain't gonna get you in heaven. No, were they saved? Did they confess? Did they know God as according to their sin? Those the things that matter. And as I got older and I went to funerals, that is the thing that I most look at the obituaries for and think about as I'm I'm there. Like, was this person say?

SPEAKER_11 10:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

Where's this person gonna spend eternity? That's the biggest question that in this walk we we all gonna have to answer. You know, and I told you guys in a in a different episode where me and my wife were going all the way out here to this mall, and I was like, babe, one day, doing judgment, somebody's gonna think that's gonna be a good enough excuse that the Lord is gonna accept for not being faithful, being holy, and walking this thing right. Like, like what, oh, oh, what who we gonna blame? Our mother? Oh, mom didn't uh teach me that. She didn't train up a child in the way she should go. But at what point is it our own responsibility, you know, as an adult to seek the kingdom. You know, so that's where I this came from when I was posing it to you, man, because you see people try to justify a lot of stuff in your life. Yes, you know, and I ain't I ain't big on, you know, and the disclaimer for Vent 101 on uh same-sex marriages and couples and all that, and I'm not trying to highlight that, but what I do highlight is the justification that people use to be comfortable in their sin.

SPEAKER_11 11:34

That's right. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 11:36

The one thing you said that really messed me up with people like that, the key thing you said is the spiritual part with no spirit involved. And then the second thing was I'm not churchy. So that must mean that you don't even know what the church is, because you are the church.

SPEAKER_04 11:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:50

Exactly. So the thing is, a lot of times I ask people, when people say stuff like that, I ask them questions and I answer their question at the same time I ask them the question. So when people do, that's I'm like, so do you know what church is? What is church to you? And I ask them to expound on it. And then that's when I give them the answer. Because a lot of times people say things because it sounds cute. It sounds good that somebody else said it. Where did this whole I'm just spiritual thing come from anyway?

SPEAKER_11 12:16

And honestly, I spiritual but not religious. Yes. When I was an online dater, that was.

SPEAKER_03 12:21

So what was which spirit is you talking about? Absolutely. That's another question. You're saying the spirit choke. Which spirit are you referring to? Spirit, exactly. Is it demonic? Yep. Evil? Which spirit is you, which one are you actually carrying with you? And and another thing, especially going along lines with that too, though, the uh a lot of times these people that just go to church, they try to, and you be like, Do you get in the word? No. So you learn that church? No. Well, what's the purpose? Where's your purpose in that? Because everybody else, you can tell people, yeah, I go to church yes Sunday. And it sounds cute to justification. It sounds good to the ones who don't know better, but the ones who know better, it's like, so you go to church, you want to, I guess that's your cop out of way to look or appear as something of a Christian, but if you're not actually getting in the word, learning what you're going to church and what the church is about, what's the purpose of going? See, I went from, I used to be a person that used to always impose or always try to give clear answers. I ask questions more now. Because it's more about making the person think about what they're saying and how it actually looks to the outside view. Especially somebody like what you said. Yeah, I ain't, I ain't, and I ain't in the church like that. I ain't even churchy. Not knowing that you're supposed to be the church. You are the church. No, I've I've heard that the spiritual thing too. It it's it don't make sense. It's a lot of oxymorons. It's like people are going to church literally just to say they're going to church. Well, it gives them status.

SPEAKER_11 14:05

If you, especially uh being single, if you don't know the word, if you so if somebody tell you, oh, I I went to church this Sunday, what'd you do this weekend? Oh, I went to church.

SPEAKER_07 14:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_11 14:20

It sounds good. Yeah. Fleshly justification.

SPEAKER_03 14:24

No.

SPEAKER_11 14:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:26

But people do, I say, so what was the sermon about?

SPEAKER_02 14:28

No church without church.

SPEAKER_03 14:30

I said, what was that? What was the sermon about today? Did you learn something? Huh?

SPEAKER_09 14:35

Well, it's a Pharisee. I call it a Pharisee syndrome. That's what it is. Because, you know, you go and you do all these rituals and stuff like that, but the spirit of the spirit of God, I'm gonna, because I like how you say that, what spirit? The spirit of God is not in operation in you. It's just a Pharisee uh type of uh, you know, ritual that you do, and you got all these hard, strict rules to go by. You know, you go to church on Sunday, like y'all was talking about, you know, whatever else you got going on, uh prayer service on Wednesday, but you don't you're not full of God's spirit. So, you know, so that's to me, that's the just uh fleshly justification. You know a little bit about rituals, rules, moral living, and you do those things. But you're walking dead.

SPEAKER_11 15:26

That's good.

SPEAKER_09 15:31

And that's what you are, because you're attempting to do right by God in a uh a fleshly uh manner. No way, because God is spirit, and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

SPEAKER_06 15:47

Amen.

SPEAKER_11 15:48

You just said, Tanya said the spirit of God the Father. When you pull that Bible out, read it, learn it, study it, and receive what God is giving you. You are the church. You are she said the Bible tells you where two or more gather that God is present.

SPEAKER_09 16:07

Amen. That's in the midst. And then that that's you know how they gathered in the synagogues and stuff like that, but they did outward works, you know. Uh it was one story about when the Jesus was telling them about the Sabbath day, right? The the Pharisees once again. If you don't work on Sunday, you know, whatever. But what if your ox, that your moneymaker maker, fall into a ditch? You're gonna leave that ox out there all day long. See, Jesus knows how to do it. Oh, it's Sunday. So I'm gonna let that the ox to feel probably in a puddle of water or a pool, or I don't know where he feels at, and he could drown. You lost your money. Yeah, he's gonna be drowned. Because you you you worried about rituals and rules. He's gonna do it whatnot.

SPEAKER_02 16:54

He's gonna be oxtailed tomorrow. He's gonna be oxtailed tomorrow.

SPEAKER_09 16:57

You ain't gonna get him. He's definitely oxtailed tomorrow. Monday, you stewing. So, yeah. So absolutely a little bit griefy. Yeah, but see, that's that's what makes me different. No, I'm sorry. Y'all make me home.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

Sorry, Miss Bat, but yeah.

SPEAKER_09 17:14

Uh that sounds real good.

SPEAKER_11 17:19

Anyway, y'all forgive us. They know we ain't got a good sport. Why he take off the stoop?

SPEAKER_08 17:30

What y'all doing? So all the pictures and stuff. You lost down on your blessing. Yeah, I'm still looking at this part of stew.

SPEAKER_11 17:45

Oh my god. Oh Lord. Well, some of the core reasons believers justify justify their flesh are number one, self-protection. The flesh hates being exposed. It's the truth. When the Holy Spirit convicts, the believer may defend themselves to avoid feeling wrong, guilty, or embarrassed. This is me saying it wasn't me. Yeah. Justifying the justification, self-fleshly justification for self-protection.

SPEAKER_07 18:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 18:28

I know I done did that years ago. I can't do it now because I I it's easier to tell the truth than to try to make up some reasons why you did. The only reason why I did that, the only thing about it is what my girl at work says, not making up for it, but anyway. Uh another one is pride.

SPEAKER_06 18:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 18:52

Pride refuses to admit weakness or failure. It says I'm fine, even when sin is obvious. Pride makes repentance feel like defeat instead of freedom. My God. Yeah. Oh boy.

SPEAKER_09 19:08

My God.

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That pride is something else. Or the fear of consequences. Some justify sin because they fear losing reputation, relationships, or comfort. Instead of confessing, they hide, minimize, or rationalize.

SPEAKER_03 19:30

Man, I wish I would. That's crazy. You're rationalized, stupid. Man, trying to look good for some down here when it when the tunnel life is longer than it's like.

SPEAKER_11 19:41

Man, you'd be surprised.

SPEAKER_03 19:45

You gotta think about it way.

SPEAKER_11 19:46

Some people's reputation means more to them than uh than Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 19:51

Salvation.

SPEAKER_11 19:51

Yeah. Because then they're not thinking with spiritual eyes. They're speaking, they're lit thinking through carnal eyes. That's true. That's true. You know, they don't. Y'all gotta keep in mind everything is spiritual. Whether it's heavenly or hell Asian.

SPEAKER_02 20:11

So wrong.

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I'm ebonic in it today.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

You're ebonic in it, though. Okay. They chose.

SPEAKER_10 20:17

Yeah.

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Forget your reputation. Worry about your salvation. Amen.

SPEAKER_10 20:22

Good. And that's it. That's good. Say that again.

SPEAKER_02 20:25

Get the right Asian.

SPEAKER_10 20:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

Don't worry about your reputation. Get your salvation.

SPEAKER_11 20:30

Yay. That's it. Thank you, Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 20:32

Amen.

SPEAKER_11 20:32

That's it. They have the desire for control. Who? The flesh wants to run life its own way. When God's word confronts that control, the believer might just justify disobedience to keep doing what feels comfortable or familiar.

SPEAKER_06 20:54

Who that had mute? That's got me.

SPEAKER_02 20:57

Familiar.

SPEAKER_11 20:58

I stood accused, Jesus. People, some people don't realize how much control they really want or they need. What is that called? A habitu uh habit? Control? Is control a habit? What word am I looking for?

SPEAKER_03 21:17

I would say control is a habit.

SPEAKER_11 21:20

It can be habitual.

SPEAKER_03 21:22

Habitual.

SPEAKER_11 21:25

Yeah. Not and this is what really got me with my uh research, not understanding what grace really is. Some believers think grace means God understands, so they excuse the sin instead of fighting it. Believers may group view grace as an automatic blank check to sin, having the mindset of because God is forgiving, he will unconditionally overlook. Our intentional sins. Lord have mercy. This turns grace into permission instead of power.

SPEAKER_02 22:15

I was um that's the way we go ahead, Miss May.

SPEAKER_09 22:19

No, I'm just saying how she was saying that that's the way that corn of mind said that. This is justification. How how the flesh is weak. You know what I'm saying? That's right. But when Jesus came into in flesh to condemn flesh, you know, the sin of it. And that's well, oof. I just want to die daily. Lord, thank you, Jesus, for grace. Thank you, Jesus. That flesh is something else.

SPEAKER_10 22:47

Thank you, Jesus.

SPEAKER_09 22:48

But see, that's what the law, what I was talking about earlier, when the law was for the Old Testament, but it came to prepare us for grace. Because Jesus said, I didn't need to, I didn't come to destroy what was there. You know, I come fulfill it. But I came to kill the flesh out through his spirit, through God's spirit through us. But we don't take advantage of that. We still be thinking carnal. The Bible talks about cornal minded. It's enmity with God. We can't, you know, it's rough. But but thank God that he sent his son.

SPEAKER_11 23:22

Tanya said, wait, who got some oxtails? Oh, they switched out. Whoa. She said that need to be on a t-shirt.

SPEAKER_03 23:34

I think you're talking about the Asian thing, but she's right.

SPEAKER_11 23:36

Yeah, the shun.

SPEAKER_09 23:38

Uh-oh, nah.

SPEAKER_11 23:40

God don't overlook nothing. Don't people know that God knew before they did?

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That's the truth. That's true. Amen.

SPEAKER_02 23:50

Like um when I was researching this, um, I got to a point where it had broken up the two words uh flesh and justification. Justification, that's correct. And to put it in context, uh flesh represents fallen human nature, which is flawed and incapable of perfectly obeying God's exactly, incapable of perfectly obeying God's moral standards. Justification is the legal, judicial act of God declaring a person innocent and righteous. And then it says why fleshly fails. According to theological view, a fleshly justification cannot succeed for three primary reasons. The law reveals sin, meaning following the rules, simply highlights human imperfections. No one is perfect because everyone falls short. No human can be justified by fleshly works. That's it. And then piggyback on what y'all said, it nullifies grace. If effort could earn justification, then God's free gift of grace would be useless.

SPEAKER_09 25:04

Yes, sir. That's it. That's good. Grace of God.

SPEAKER_11 25:11

Boy, I tell you, grace of God. We gotta stop justifying what we want to do. Oh, I did that only because if he hadn't or she hadn't done this, that I wouldn't have done that. Well, when you get before the God, what what you gonna say? That's the key. We have to remember. This ain't our home.

SPEAKER_09 25:39

No, it's not.

SPEAKER_11 25:40

We have to remember. When you get before God, you can't you said that. It ain't no excuses.

SPEAKER_09 25:47

They're gonna be making them though, June. Yeah. Right before the throne. That's crazy. See, because he's he's waiting to separate the sheep from the goat. He's ready at the throne. They're gonna be up there. Oh, then I cast out devils in your name, Jesus. I fed the people's out. He said, Depart from me, you work of iniquity. I never knew you.

SPEAKER_03 26:08

That's deep.

SPEAKER_09 26:09

Because you're trying to justify yourself. You doing everything. Oh Lord. I you know what? I do pray. I do pray for people that think salvation is really hard. And so they stay back and they justify why they don't want to give all. Remember, I told y'all never forget our first topic. Surrendering all to God. Remember? Surrendering to the will. I hold us it to the will of God. And we don't want to. We give them little parts of it. And you're gonna stand right before the judgment seat of God. Talking about I I fed the people. Yeah, I clothed down. I went to the hood and testified. I you know, saving soul. I'd be like Paul. What it look like, in other words, my words, what it look like me going out there preaching the word of God, the gospel to get people saved, and then I lose my soul myself.

SPEAKER_11 27:04

You just took the words out of my head. There are so many people, and I pray y'all continue to pray and ask God to show you you. Yes, because there are so many people that are leading people to Christ and gonna bust hell wide open.

SPEAKER_09 27:23

Oh mercy. I'm sorry. That's scary. That is scary. Yeah, that was more than just scary, like perpetrator.

SPEAKER_02 27:31

Bringing that up to my wife, like it's gonna be people who think there's an excuse good enough to give God on judgment day. That scares me.

SPEAKER_09 27:40

What is wrong?

SPEAKER_02 27:42

Not just for me, but for people who think it's gonna be an excuse. Well, you know what? It I didn't take that one from Twine, but I'm gonna take that one from Miss Pat. Or I'm gonna take that one from June, or I'm gonna take that one from Rich. Oh, I didn't take that from Miss Pat, but I'm gonna take that from Twine. You know, it's not gonna be an excuse good or no. No, it's not. Ain't no excuses. He don't do excuses.

SPEAKER_03 28:06

No, no excuses. That's one thing people love giving excuses, but you understand, God don't do excuses. He don't do gray areas and he don't do questionable things. He says this. He's direct. He don't leave in-betweens. Ain't no in-between or Richard Brown. He says this is what it is, ain't nothing else to it. But again, the fleshy justification aspect, we be like, well, maybe he meant this a little bit on this. No. He said he said this, that meant what he meant.

SPEAKER_09 28:37

That's it. Cherry picking.

SPEAKER_11 28:39

Yeah. My God. Tanya asked a question. Question, have you ever thought about when a person goes to prison, they begin to pray, God, I just want to go home. And when they get home, they don't say, God, thank you. Not uh not all people who go come out the same. That's that's playing. You playing with God then.

SPEAKER_03 29:04

Yeah, you're playing with him.

SPEAKER_11 29:05

But we play with God, not in being in prison.

SPEAKER_03 29:08

Yep, outside of prison, nah. Because it's been could not nobody can say that they've been in situations, especially when when you everybody's been through things where they be like, God just help me this one more time, and then I'm gonna stop doing this. He helped you, then what you end up doing? This is like me, that's what I and I I think I said this on a long time ago. I had this word, this old delusional, insane way.

SPEAKER_11 29:32

Thank you for that question, Thomas.

SPEAKER_03 29:33

Of thinking is that, okay, I did it this way, the consequences came with it. Maybe if I alter it some, if I altered it a little bit. You tickling with gas. Maybe if I alter it, it'll still work, nope. Maybe if I alter that alteration, it'll work this time. And and and I live like that. It's so, it's insane. It is, and it's delusional. We put God on the shelf so much when he starts blessings, when that's the time you should be giving him more glorification than on top of that. Thanking him for what he's helped you get through. Not say, but thank you, Lord. I holler at you later. I can finally take off a piece of this armor.

SPEAKER_11 30:15

You better not. Can I read a better stop tickling with God's intelligence?

SPEAKER_09 30:22

Can I read a Romans? I'm gonna read Romans sixth chapter in the first verse. It says, What shall we say then? Oh shall we continue in sin that grace may above? Number two says, God forbid. How shall we that are dead to sin live any longer therein?

SPEAKER_03 30:46

I know I studied this, I don't know why, but unless it was me, I got a lot of Galatians in Romans. And I and what I learned a long time ago about Romans, that's the Christ, that's um the Christian constitution.

SPEAKER_11 31:01

Paul ain't gonna be.

SPEAKER_03 31:05

I mean, all the a lot of scripts, almost all the scripts I have are those two chapters.

SPEAKER_09 31:09

Yeah. And he'll tell you, we talking about the flesh. He said ain't no good thing in there. No, not one. Romans 7 and 18. Ain't not one good thing in this flesh. So how can you fleshly just have a justification? Wow. Think you're standing in righteous uh in the right place with God. That's crazy. That's crazy thinking. That's always like, how can I even think that way?

SPEAKER_11 31:38

I can't I'm you know, I'm just saying, I'm wondering where my mind was at when I didn't get it. But I guess it wasn't for me to get it.

SPEAKER_03 31:47

That bothers me too. The thing is, like growing up, we grew up in church, so like you heard and know these things, but it's almost like you don't want to abide by it. You don't want to live by it.

SPEAKER_11 31:58

I didn't even understand. I I think my. I don't know. I think the spirit, I this is me assuming when you gave me that topic. That's what I was going on. Uh, when you gave me the topic, I'm like, why? What does that mean? Right. But now I get it wasn't for me to get it, because now is the time for us to discuss it with everything that's going on in the world, how the world has gone haywire, how people justify uh believers, we're talking to the believers now. We're not talking about the unsaved folks. They get an ex, they have an excuse because they don't know Christ. But for us to be believers and to justify our fet flesh the way that we do.

SPEAKER_03 32:43

In so many ways.

SPEAKER_11 32:45

Uh I guess that's why the Holy Spirit, because I looked at that topic over and over again over the years. I'm telling you, you gave me that I know three years ago. But I'm like, okay, that's I guess that's why I didn't get it.

SPEAKER_03 33:04

It wasn't time. It wasn't time. It wasn't time. Everything is always work when it comes to this. A lot of it's topics that we that we did this year that was back in the beginning of this. Oh, yeah. That's how the more thing, that's just to reassure that we're Holy Spirit led. We don't go by our timing, we don't go by what we feel, we don't go by what we think. We go by what the Holy Spirit says and puts in us to move forward. And that's what every podcast just, and we say that a lot, but that is the God knows truth. That's why a lot of times our topics, it'll be a topic that we thought of five years ago and one came yesterday, and they're a line. Yeah. When you move in through the Holy Spirit, it's always gonna be in the time. It's every time. It's every time. It's always gonna be in God's time, and it's and the thing is, it's not the depth of that though. We discussed this years ago. Now is the right time for it. Why? Because the people that are listening needed this today. The ones that the ones that may chime in later needed this day to go the way. For now, yeah. Because a lot of times, again, this goes to the thing where we a lot of times we think that things should go on our time or we want it now, kind of are deal because the ways of society has changed. But the ultimate thing is it's never in our time, it's always in God's time. So again, that's the that's the true meaning of that, being Holy Spirit led. We didn't, again, we could have done this years ago. When you said we could have done next week. Yeah. But it wouldn't but it wouldn't have it wouldn't have been right.

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I praise God for obedience uh on my part, and that's not boasting or bragging on nothing. I just praise God for obedience because when you all give me topics, I write them in my phone and then I write them on the pages, you know, in my computer. And like you just said, we've discussed like with uh Loria, that was on the paper before fleshly justification. You know, but that's when you are led by the Holy Spirit, all of us, and the topics, I'm getting off topic, but we're gonna get back on the flesh, fleshly justification. But when you all say the topics that you want to host, it falls in line. It always falls in line because when you give me a topic that you want to normally, most of the time, not unless I've just mentally tired, because both of y'all, all of y'all have hosted more than one at a you know, back consecutively. I know Antoine has, because and um my baby girl Naya, when she was in here, I was tired mentally. But most of the time I pray when you tell me what you want to host, when I said, Lord, what we gonna talk about? And I just and it falls in place every time. But back to uh that was off topic, sorry. Uh some common things that believers make up, uh, that I've said uh I said some of them when justifying the flesh, it's not all that bad. Everyone struggles with this. I ain't the only one. God knows my heart. Ooh, yes, he will. That's a kicker right there.

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There'd be so the people that say it's like you you you you happy with that?

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And another one, I'll stop later. God'll forgive me. And I had a real, I had a good reason for doing that. The reason was because so-and-so did so-and-so. That's why I did it. And at least I'm not as bad as others have done, but way worse than me.

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The comparison of sin.

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Those that was when you get to blame and what somebody else, so-and-so did that.

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And it was worse.

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And it's no sin worse. It still is sitting, but it's justifiable to you.

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A lot of people justify it. And it makes sense.

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That's the worst part about it. Because some back in the day when I was really out there, it made sense to me. Because I was justifying it.

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It even sounded good when I even did it. I worded it eloquently, I worded so eloquently, like, yeah, you know the Lord said this, but what this is what he was trying to tell me, though.

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Each one of these cop-outs protect the flesh instead of exposing it to the spirit. Uh, this is dangerous for new believers. Listen up, because uh it blocks repentance, it hardens the heart, it keeps the believer spiritually immature, it prevents transformation, too, and it turns conviction into defensiveness. That's instead of growth. When you start defending the sin you in, you ain't gonna grow. The spirit's job is to reveal truth, the flesh's job is to hide it.

SPEAKER_03 38:22

Wow, but you hit the like drop the bike. Say that one more time for the one time.

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The spirit's job is to reveal truth. The flesh's job is to hide it.

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Yeah.

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That's deep. That's deep.

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Fleshly justification. I'm sorry. When you think about it, been here since the beginning of man. It's because starting with Adam and Eve. Genesis 9 through 13. After eating the forbidden fruit, they immediately engaged in fleshly justification. Adam blame Eve, Eve blamed the servant, avoiding personal responsibility. So it's it's a it's a dodge of responsibility and accountability to use justification. And it's crazy to even put them two words together because it's an oxymoron. They don't even go together.

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They don't go together. They don't go together.

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You know, another example is the the expert in the law in Luke 10, 25 to 29. When asked to love his neighbor, he questioned Jesus, attempting to justify himself by defining neighbor narrowly so his actions would look blameless.

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Yes.

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History repeats itself.

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What is really neighbors?

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Like, like what is like it changed. Is it the person next to me? Is it the person across the street? Are we talking about neighborhoods? Are we talking about next to me? Like what you gotta break it down a little bit more plain.

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And it makes sense logically to the human mind.

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Yeah.

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Did you say this or that?

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Now you mean neighbor or you mean neighborhood? Like we gotta break it down a little farther.

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I'm gonna piggyback off of what you said, uh son, uh Sarah. When she doubted God's promise, she pushed Abraham to have a child with Hagar. She wrong for it. She wrote for that. She laughed. And then she blamed Abraham and Hagar for the consequences. How you gonna talk that man into having a baby with somebody?

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Hey, did it covet it?

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She looked at that, she over there grinning and they playing. She having fun with her son. Just got jealous.

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Crazy.

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Covet. Envy. Yep. Covetous. See how these two.

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Yeah, they go all West Weeks and this week's. They always go.

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I like how y'all say that though. It is an oxymoron, but when you first gave it to us, too, I looked at the two words. I said, how this got to be separated some kind of way. I said, no, I'm just gonna say it's an excuse. Right. That's all it is. That's what it is. What flesh wanna do. Yeah. And that's it. And then and once again, there's no good thing in this flesh. I don't care who thinks they are a good person and they did this and all. Mm-mm. No good thing in that flesh. Ooh, we. And I just want to read one more scripture, Joe. Go ahead. Uh Luke 9, 62. It says, And Jesus said unto him, No man having put his hand to the plow and looking back is fit for the kingdom of God. Nope.

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I want to add Luke 3 and 20 onto that. Therefore, by the deeds of the laws, there shall be no flesh. No flesh be justified in his sight. For by the law is the knowledge of sin.

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Yes it.

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So and you you said in the beginning, this lesson is aimed towards the believers in Christ. Yes. So once you receive Christ in your life, you know, you looking back on everything else or holding back or whatever you're doing, you ain't even fit for the kingdom. And that's sad to even think about it. You go all out the way, go to the altar, give your life to Christ, you know, live once again, you know, and then you lose out on eternal life. Because you want to justify.

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I'm gonna give a couple of uh justifications that are common. Human frailty or the flesh is weak.

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Real weak.

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Our excuse is chalking up continuous recurring sin strictly to our humanness rather than taking personal responsibility for our actions. This cop out, I said it, yeah. This cop out rationalizes our actions by claiming I'm only human or arguing that our bodily urges are too biologically powerful to resist. I'm weak. I had to give in to them. I was so weak back in the day. Oh, I'm sorry, I said that in front of my son.

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That just brings me to remembers you, you know what the comedian says. The Lord is my shepherd. He knows what I want.

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He know what I want.

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He knows he knows less than justification. He knows what I want. You a little too comfortable in your saying. He said he know what he was. He said it, or he was he looking at a lady. Yeah, that boy's up, that's what it was.

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Romans 13 13. 13 through 14 says, let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy, but put on the Lord Jesus Christ and make no provision for the flesh to gratify its desires. No. Don't play. I was playing, boy. I was. I thank God. Boy, at the women's conference, I I got busy with it, but I can't talk like that in front of the men folk. No. But you know, I I have testimonies, you know? And it's a blessing that when you look at how you justified past tense, thank you, Jesus, certain sins that you were in, it makes you thankful. You just have to say, thank you, Jesus, for allowing me to make it through, to be that testimony for somebody that they won't go through it, that they might not be as blessed as we. That's right. Because somebody got caught up in the mix of their sin, their fleshly justification. There are people that are caught up now. Like when you get caught up in adultery, having babies out uh by another person. Women do it all the time as being exposed now, not the dogs, the dog us, but we catch we catch men up all the time. You are not the father. What?

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Ten men later. Yeah, truthfully speaking.

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If you watch some of these talk shows, that one woman had 10 people.

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A lot of them be having 10, 20, and then Lord, woo, woo. Woo. Fleshly um justification is rejected. So the Bible urges believers to rely on the Holy Spirit.

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Hallelujah.

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Galatians 5 and 16 says, This I say then, walk in the spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

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Amen. Thank you, Jesus.

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And I'm gonna give you all the I know it's time for you all some more scriptures. I got a whole bunch of them, but I'm gonna just give a few.

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Let me read what Tanya says, and then afterwards you can uh you can read yours.

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I only had three of them.

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Go ahead.

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Yeah, I'm gonna be quick. Galatians 5, 19 through 22, Romans chapter 8, verse 8. Also Romans 13 and 14, and another one be Luke chapter 16 and 15.

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Amen. Yeah, God, this is what Tanya said. Excuse me. God wants us to be faithful to Him and His Word. Love as He loves to share His messages. The world we live in has become warped by teach the teachings, the way of believing in the world willy ways. As Christians who love the Father, we have to continue to trust in God, excuse me again, our Father, and give his word like Vit 101. Thank you, Jesus. The other true to God believers, no, no, I don't want to lie. The other true to God believers do. I thank God for providing a way to continue to grow within. Thank you, Lord. Uh I will never forget when I went to this church and a couple of the ladies came to me as I was in search for someone to pray with me and said, I will never be ready for what God. Wait a minute. I will never be ready for what God has for me. What? Let me reread that. I was in search of someone to pray with me. They looked at me and said, I will never be ready for what God has for me. I stepped back and I looked at them and said to myself, if only they knew what God already did, hey, and will do in my life. How dare they?

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That's wow.

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That's church folks, Tanya.

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Wow.

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Them church folks.

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Say that to somebody.

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Boom.

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Some Pharisees. And that's you know what? In situations like that is what detours a lot of people that are looking to do. Yeah. And the thing is, thank you for that testimony, Tanya. They realize that she already knew the Lord.

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Yeah.

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See, people sometimes assume they preach, they get church.

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That's deep.

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Holly.

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I done had that done to me so many times.

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Me too. Well, you y'all know my story earlier. What you say?

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That's what I said. What you say? Throughout the years. I mean, I'm mean from the start of my salvation up to even now. And I want to use what he said.

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What shut up? Shut up. Shut up.

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Shut up.

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Oh, no. Shut your mouth. Not that part. Shut your mouth.

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Shut your mouth.

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Oh, shoot. That is so good.

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That's awesome.

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You got something? Yeah, just a good one. And then you can pray yourself.

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Yeah, we gave uh definitions, a whole lot of meat and potatoes. We gave scriptures. Yeah. We gave context. I just want to add a little contrast. The biblical contrast, instead of fleshly justification, Christian's doctrine emphasizes justification by grace through faith. This means that righteousness is an unearned gift from God. Credit to a person's because of Jesus' sacrifice completely apart from human effort. So don't be like King Saul. When confronted with his disobedience, he blamed his men and rationalized this sin as a gift to the Lord. Like he didn't know the difference. But you can read that in 1 Samuel 13, 11 through 12, and chapter 15, verses 20 through 21. Amen.

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I love y'all. I love it. If you don't get no understanding, we we lay it on the line.

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Amen.

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Pure and uncut. Oh shoot, Rich, you will pray us out. Thank you for joining us. And Tanya, thank you so much for your input.

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And if anybody else, if you all are watching, you all can intertwine with us too. We love when you all with the engagement. So you can chime in if you have questions or you want to interact with us too.

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Amen. Amen.

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Dear most gracious Heavenly Father, we thank you for the Saturday. We thank you for coming in here and you allowing your spirit to speak through us, Father.

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Yes.

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We hope someone out in podcast land has got a nugget and the seed was planted.

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Yes.

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And you can nurture it, Father, because nothing that we do is important if you're not a part of it. Yes, yes. If you're not the head of it. We just thank you for what you're doing, did, and will do in our lives, Father. And we ask you for traveling mercy and grace. And for those people who are struggling a little bit in their faith with the fleshly just things like fleshly justification and covetousness, we we send a special spiritual prayer for them, Father. See about them, save them, keep them, Father. See about us, save us, keep us, Father. And we pray again for the McLean and Kennish family and to Neil, our brothers and sisters in Christ, and we love them, Karen, and all the family. We just want you to bless them, keep them, Father. Speak to them, visit them, Father, sit with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Send a fresh word to them, Father, today. And all these things we ask in your son Jesus' name. Amen.

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Amen. Thank you. Thanks again, Tanya.

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I know you never fail me. I knew I can feel your plan.

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Thanks for tuning in, and we look forward to having you back next week.